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Sampling Current New Release Music
No doubt this has been thrown round before but Id like some open air riffin on it again.
I'm very much traditionalist when it comes to making my beats in the sense that all my main samples are from wax, tape or CD mfrom probably pre 80's,
maybe some mid 90's soundtracks.
With the exception of using some drum discs, MP3 drum packs and library sounds from some VST to layer things up this is how I was schooled to make
music.
Times have changed with music being more accessible than ever and a lot of the producers on this forum do use high quality MP3s to make their beats so
I wanted to get some opinions on the following..
Have, or would you sample something taken from a current new release album? for argument sake lets say something like a 2 bar loop from the new City
and Colour record or a drum intro from Keith Urbans latest smash hit, a lick from the Black Keys, vocals from lee Fields new one. Nothings off limits.
Do you wait until you 50 years old and its out of print; buy the fucker on CD or itunes and jack it; buy it on wax so you can still say "I sample from
wax"
trawl the net for a free one and go to town on the cunt.
Or...leave it alone
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I think the purist wax thing is dying out but it makes you all the sicker of a cunt if you stick to it. I always sample a record personally out of
habit, and it def sounds better. I wont always sample my bass, 808s etc of wax. And when you put a record on properly you listen to it, if you got 80
gig of soul samples on a ipod your less likely to find good/ original bits.
MP3s and tapes sound like anus. Interesting that cd's and tapes are now acceptible to "diggers" cos a few years ago that was considered wack too. But
yeah the whole digging culture thing seems over run with geeks with deep pockets that dont even make beats. kind of kills the fun of it.
So in short, just sample the bieber mp3.
[Edited on 25-5-2012 by Gex]
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I'm with you Overproof on that I like the main shit to come from wax. Drums, bass hits, sounds etc I don't really care too much (though still like to
grab drums off wax - Paul Nice, allthebreaks etc).
I wouldn't be against sampling something new, but new shit costs $15 + to buy. I'm one of those "I don't pay more than $7 for wax to sample" type
people so I never really get the chance anyway haha. If I heard something ill, why not though. At the end of the day it's still stealing (lack of a
word)... doesn't matter if it's from the 60s or last year.
All those new Clams Casino, whoever makes beats of A$AP Rocky types all sample new ish (90s+ stuff). Mainly Bjork and weird European Electronica.
I have been guily of finding something on YouTube and finding/buying it on wax just so I can use it haha
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I'd also like to point out that e-digging through blogs that upload Funk, Soul etc is wack as fuck.
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I sample 99% of my shit off vinyl. The only exceptions to this rule are as follows: if I'm just making some random stuff for some random reason with
no intent to do anything serious with it - then I'm more than happy to just fuck around with some MP3; and, if I'm looking for weird talking shit to
chop up and turn into bizarre "humourous" anecdotes in which case I trawl random ranting on YouTube. For most of the weird vocal edits I do, tho, I
tend to grab shit off strange instructional/philosophy/childrens book/speech records. I just find something infinitely amusing about the stupid shit
people feel the need to talk about on YouTube.
Musical elements all come off record for any serious material I'm working on. And generally, it's all 60's and 70's with the occasional 80's jazz
fusion tune thrown in.
Whatever floats your boat, though. I find that digging through old records is half the fun.
Oh, and I tend to layer breaks and shit with drum hits that I've collected from all sorts of places over the years. Half of those, I'm sure, never
came from vinyl.
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Quote: Originally posted by dazed  |
I have been guily of finding something on YouTube and finding/buying it on wax just so I can use it haha |
I do this all the time now that I can't get out stores like I used to. But still always buy the OG vinyl (or CD if vinyl is unavailable) to put down
for the beat.
This is more just because I am a huge lover of music (actual music / older-era music) so I am always interested in owning music for my own listening
purposes far above and beyond simply sampling from it. This is why, now that I'm stuck at a desk all day, I trawl through youtube (etc) to find new
music to own (buy online). I would MUCH prefer to be out in the stores, like I used to be, but seeing as I cannot and am still afflicted with the need
to discover new music, I guess I have to flout some conventions. But who gives a shit? I have spent hundreds (maybe thousands) of hours digging, and
if anything, not being able to spend the hours digging like I used to be is a huge loss for me, far outweighing any 'simple convenience' that
"digging" online has now offered. Digging in crates (to a digger) is the real feeling. Online researching is jerking off to anime compared to fucking
your high-school crush, pulling a gem from the crates. Doesn't compare.
Edit: As for Pete Proof's original post - I'd sample something modern if it was obscure enough (i.e. vastly removed from hip-hop/electronica,
preferably foreign), but not something well-known and modern.
[Edited on 26-5-2012 by This_just_in]
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yeh nah.
i keep main samples 100% off wax......drums i like to keep off wax but i have some cleaner kits and bass shots i have downloaded too.
I sample cassette, but thats almost as far as i go, unless as FG put, im looking for phrases or dialogue and i cant be fucked fast fowarding through
VCR tapes, then i will happily use youtube or the internet.
E-digging has taken many a meaning, and not to be confused with buying vinyl online (thats what i call e-digging) i think digging on the internet for
mp3's is wack.....
back to OP i have sampled new shit when i began, but i felt dirty after, like masturbating in the toilet. its something i avoid at all cost's unless
the sample is screaming at me, and even then, id still go on ebay and try buy the vinyl.
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@ DAzed I guess sampling portishead, bjork or some 90's shit is like preemo sampling 70s shit in the 90s.
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I sample mostly from wax, but I don't have a problem sourcing from anything, as long as I can make it sound good. And I agree digging through wax is
half the fun.
In regards to sampling current shit, I would do it if it was obscure enough.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Gex | | @ DAzed I guess sampling portishead, bjork or some 90's shit is like preemo sampling 70s shit in the 90s. |
You're right. I actually sometimes forget that the 90s were a while ago.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Gex | | @ DAzed I guess sampling portishead, bjork or some 90's shit is like preemo sampling 70s shit in the 90s. |
I heard that track where they sampled Bitter Sweet Symphony and thought that was fucking insanely wack, but I don't know why I think that and it has
caused serious cerebral conflict. One part says "As long as they cleared it, who cares?" and the other part says "It's not from the era's that are
traditionally sampled and is really lazy digging".
I suppose Vanilla Ice did sample Under Pressure (and denied it of course).
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Wax, VHS, DVD, cassettes, CD and maybe the odd mp3 if it calls for it.
And mostly look at 80s and older. But saying that I would agree with TJI and others about obscurity etc.
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| Quote: Originally posted by elementary | | Quote: Originally posted by Gex | | @ DAzed I guess sampling portishead, bjork or some 90's shit is like preemo sampling 70s shit in the 90s. |
I heard that track where they sampled Bitter Sweet Symphony and thought that was fucking insanely wack, but I don't know why I think that and it has
caused serious cerebral conflict. One part says "As long as they cleared it, who cares?" and the other part says "It's not from the era's that are
traditionally sampled and is really lazy digging".
I suppose Vanilla Ice did sample Under Pressure (and denied it of course). | Quote: |
I doubt they cleared bitter sweet symphony that was the most expensive sample in history. What's his name, the first rolling stones manager owned the
song, what a unit. |
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Slightly off topic but Just Blaze and Fabolous made no money from "Breathe". The song was never meant to drop but it leaked, blew up so they had to
release it. Supertramp got 100% royalties for it.
I guess that's an 80s song sampled in the early 00s.
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I mostly sample from wax , but I will admit if I see something i like on youtube etc Its not off limits . In saying that , if Im at a record fair and
I see something a record Ive originally sampled before , I'll buy it . All my bass I play on guitar or use a plugin or even the traditional filter .
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| Quote: Originally posted by dazed | Slightly off topic but Just Blaze and Fabolous made no money from "Breathe". The song was never meant to drop but it leaked, blew up so they had to
release it. Supertramp got 100% royalties for it.
I guess that's an 80s song sampled in the early 00s. |
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i sample vinyl, i sample CDs, i sample MP3s, i sample grapes at the supermarket - i don't give a fuck
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45 king, Dido sample for Stan, that was very current, there's a grap song that samples fiest on his last album, there's a meaning to your love, thats
a 2007 song originally. Even wax heads like mad lib sampled Daedalus whos a current artist on mad villain, and he also sampled the latest axelrod
album when that dropped on loop digger. The more I think about it it doesn't matter. It's just what it sounds like. When I first heard all of them I
just assumed the sample was old.
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Flip shit and make it bang. Some intresting takes from everyone.
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I'm not a producer, so the question as such doesn't apply to me, but most of the heads I came up around have been staunch record diggers. For them, as
I understand it, there was as much a "thrill of the chase" element (furiously sifting through basements of records to find a break), as there was
being able to flip something nobody had heard before.
With online / digital samples (mp3, youtube clips, etc), the flood gates are open for instant access to samples, but the scope is limited, in the
sense that somebody has already gone to the trouble of ripping / uploading the source file, so the obscurity stakes as lessened. If that makes sense.
Whereas, via physical digging, you can turn up a record that hasn't been heard since it dropped (40, 50 + years ago).
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Yeah Mark times change though. Record prices have inflated so much to tell a kid he has to go buy vinyls to make beats at 20, 30 a pop when there
mums cd racks right there, and a net connection. What's in the spirit of hip hop? Always was DIY. In the 80s 90s kids were sampling there parents
crates. Now your parents have iTunes.
I think it's good for older heads to do thier thing and keep that art form alive but for a 16yo kid to feel he needs a $3000 sp1200 and 30,000 records
to be a good beat maker, is crazy.
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Pretty much this.
A lot of young kids I've heard and spoken to are making their bangers on pirated FL Studios and mp3 samples. I asked them about it and the answer is
pretty much "laptop = $400, DAW = free, samples = free (youtube, blogs etc), why pay 1g for a sampler and records for each time you want to make a
beat"? I totally understand and see their reasoning, and if I was their age now tbh I'd probably be doing the same thing. I'm glad I'm not though
haha.
[Edited on 28-5-2012 by dazed]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Gex | Yeah Mark times change though. Record prices have inflated so much to tell a kid he has to go buy vinyls to make beats at 20, 30 a pop when there
mums cd racks right there, and a net connection. What's in the spirit of hip hop? Always was DIY. In the 80s 90s kids were sampling there parents
crates. Now your parents have iTunes.
I think it's good for older heads to do thier thing and keep that art form alive but for a 16yo kid to feel he needs a $3000 sp1200 and 30,000 records
to be a good beat maker, is crazy.
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| Quote: Originally posted by dazed |
Pretty much this.
A lot of young kids I've heard and spoken to are making their bangers on pirated FL Studios and mp3 samples. I asked them about it and the answer is
pretty much "laptop = $400, DAW = free, samples = free (youtube, blogs etc), why pay 1g for a sampler and records for each time you want to make a
beat"? I totally understand and see their reasoning, and if I was their age now tbh I'd probably be doing the same thing. I'm glad I'm not though
haha.
[Edited on 28-5-2012 by dazed] |
Yeah, I feel that.
I'm just saying, using only online samples limits your options, as they've all been ripped by somebody relatively recently, for them to be available,
so finding something obscure is less likely, whereas, you can go into any op-shop, secondhand vinyl spot and cop dollarbin records that nobody is up
on and find a break there.
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I wish this was true .I really do.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Mark563 | | Quote: Originally posted by Gex | Yeah Mark times change though. Record prices have inflated so much to tell a kid he has to go buy vinyls to make beats at 20, 30 a pop when there
mums cd racks right there, and a net connection. What's in the spirit of hip hop? Always was DIY. In the 80s 90s kids were sampling there parents
crates. Now your parents have iTunes.
I think it's good for older heads to do thier thing and keep that art form alive but for a 16yo kid to feel he needs a $3000 sp1200 and 30,000 records
to be a good beat maker, is crazy.
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| Quote: Originally posted by dazed |
Pretty much this.
A lot of young kids I've heard and spoken to are making their bangers on pirated FL Studios and mp3 samples. I asked them about it and the answer is
pretty much "laptop = $400, DAW = free, samples = free (youtube, blogs etc), why pay 1g for a sampler and records for each time you want to make a
beat"? I totally understand and see their reasoning, and if I was their age now tbh I'd probably be doing the same thing. I'm glad I'm not though
haha.
[Edited on 28-5-2012 by dazed] |
Yeah, I feel that.
I'm just saying, using only online samples limits your options, as they've all been ripped by somebody relatively recently, for them to be available,
so finding something obscure is less likely, whereas, you can go into any op-shop, secondhand vinyl spot and cop dollarbin records that nobody is up
on and find a break there. |
word on the records. i get people sometimes say (and im not trying to blow my own horn - just a personalised example) something like "oh man sweet
beat wish i had samples like that"
not knowing that the reason i got a sample like that is i spent hours in the op shop, looking through records hunting for something a lil bit special
that probably isnt on the internets or in the latest download pack off HIPHOP.com or whatevs
some of my best breaks ive found on $2 45's or $1 LP's with unknown artist's.
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