Fuck i dunno really what e-digging is but I just mean looking for samples. but my point is if you cant find a dope sample on the world wide web in a
day your nets broken. Or your in Syria. Id prob start with picking up one of your better pieces of wax, and googling the players.
I find it a stretch that your local store has more wide variety of rare music than the entire internet personally, but sounds like your onto a
winner.
im the only cunt in town who makes beats with wax.
My main man Grahame, the friendly shop owner, has a collection of everything from early 50's to around mid 80's early 90's, and i guess it hasnt been
pilfered like most the shops in the city, and the majority of it has come from the Town library when they gave up the library stash.
That and old peeps keep dying, then their kids just drop off the wax. probably dont know the value of it or dont care enough.
That and i make a point to be friendly when im in the shop, i talk to the owner, we discuss music and things. He lets me put records i want but cant
afford away and collect them when i can, he will also keep anything new thats come in behind counter for me to check before he sticks it on shelf.
Fuck that was a long story.
edit: for the record the internet is going to have a massive stash, but with a limited knowledge of music your not going to find shit anyway. if you
have never heard of rick wakeman your not going to google him or look him up on youtube are you?>
[Edited on 28-5-2012 by paradoxau]
Yeah. I'm not saying that there isn't an endless supply of break available online, but more, the process of physically digging is likely to lead to
more obscure / unknown breaks - in that, by being in the op-shop, secondhand vinyl spot, you'll be looking at covers (judge a book [record] by it's
cover), reading liner notes, just finding things through a more organic process. Whereas online, I would suggest, you'd need to know what you're
looking for to begin narrowing down the search process.
Not sure if I worded that correctly.
I dig, don't get me wrong, but I don't think that's true these days. You can hook up .rss feeds to blogs of diggers overseas and get all the shit they
upload - records you would never see in Australia. We're somewhat limited as far as breaks over here for the selection. Australia never really got a
lot of the good break oriented records, not saying there are none but it's not like places like the US and Europe that had a lot more funky drum work
going on. Op Shops in Australia are not like op shops and swap meets overseas... they are generally full of derivative pop shit, christmas carols, and
beethoven.
Not saying you won't find shit out of the ordinary on those records and find bits you can use, I still scour that shit - just saying the selection
over here isn't the same like that and I think if you are resourceful on the internet you can actually find more. The hard part is finding it to the
quality that you would want and whether you are happy sampling mp3s or not. At the very least, the internet is the best place for doing the research,
finding shitty mp3s, then hitting discogs or ebay to find the records of what you are looking for. You can't get that sort of digging and vinyl
knowledge off the internet around Australia very easily and I have gotten more knowledge doing that than traditional digging. It's still digging, just
a more modern look on it. If you find the right blogs to follow, all the liner notes, cover, and MORE are listed there including discographies and
carefully researched backstory and bio on the artists and references to their other work. Some of those blogs won't even allow dl's, but you can
stream something and then do some more hunting to find the actual wax etc...
just saying I don't fully agree with that point these days, that's one take on it yeah - and there's nothing like going out to sift through the wax,
but in this day and age you can do the same thing to equal or more effect while on your PC. Shit, I'd have to have wikipedia or thebreaks or some shit
open on my phone while digging in a store to get info anwyays.
Also... I was playing a pretty recent big american album to a pretty well known Australian producer one day and some nice drums at the start of the
song were on... he said 'what song is this? I'm jacking those drum hits". I was astounded... but after a bit of a talk about it, it made sense.
Grabbing drums off shit like that, layering or treating them how you want, ain't much different to using a drum library at the end of the day. People
would never pick the ones he has used as well, but I suppose it gets some more modern sounding kits in his collection. You gotta break the mould a
little bit if you don't want to sound like someone making the same old shit I guess, and different people break it in different ways.
A guy I work with gave me a sample as an mp3, I made a beat out of it and the beat sounded mad, but as soon as I started trying to EQ it, it would
fall to pieces. It didn't have enough fullness to begin with, and processing it fucked it up more. First and last time using an mp3: waste of time. I
don't think you'll ever get it sounding big and polished.
That said, sample whatever you want. Wax is more fun though. But I've sampled CDs before for sure, especially world music.
I don't think I could be fucked going through an rss feed that every producer and his dog has been through. It's mad when someone asks "what's that
sample from?" and you know they've never heard of the artist. Not so mad when someone says "oh yeah, Don Varner, I've flipped this before."
It's still digging, just a more modern look on it. If you find the right blogs to follow, all the liner notes, cover, and MORE are listed there
including discographies and carefully researched backstory and bio on the artists and references to their other work. Some of those blogs won't even
allow dl's, but you can stream something and then do some more hunting to find the actual wax etc...
i gotta look at some of these blogs
Higher Thought Collective
Half past late still awake from the hunger pains,
Half baked in a state and I can't remember what I've done today.
I've jacked open hits from big albums/random pop drum fills plenty of times haha.
As I stated in an earlier post, I've found tracks online and sourced the wax to sample. Much like TJI, I'm stuck on a desk the majority of the week
and on the weekend I'd much rather chill, hang with the girl etc so I don't really have all day to jump from store to store and spend a day digging.
Having the net at work allows me to trawl, read up on artists and listen to things which in turn expands my knowledge but also allows for successful
digging where I know that there's gems.
Down For The Count Records - http://www.dftc.com.au
Pretty relevant. No one has discussed this track yet. Ironic that it was voted album of the year, completely produced from off'a old rekids . . . yet
some still see mpfrees as fair game.
ROCKING HORSE RECORDS
245 Albert - Brisbane - 4000 - Australia
(07) 3229 5360 - www.rockinghorse.net - boogie@rockinghorse.net
Fuck i dunno really what e-digging is but I just mean looking for samples. but my point is if you cant find a dope sample on the world wide web in a
day your nets broken. Or your in Syria. Id prob start with picking up one of your better pieces of wax, and googling the players.
I find it a stretch that your local store has more wide variety of rare music than the entire internet personally, but sounds like your onto a
winner.
im the only cunt in town who makes beats with wax.
My main man Grahame, the friendly shop owner, has a collection of everything from early 50's to around mid 80's early 90's, and i guess it hasnt been
pilfered like most the shops in the city, and the majority of it has come from the Town library when they gave up the library stash.
That and old peeps keep dying, then their kids just drop off the wax. probably dont know the value of it or dont care enough.
That and i make a point to be friendly when im in the shop, i talk to the owner, we discuss music and things. He lets me put records i want but cant
afford away and collect them when i can, he will also keep anything new thats come in behind counter for me to check before he sticks it on shelf.
Fuck that was a long story.
edit: for the record the internet is going to have a massive stash, but with a limited knowledge of music your not going to find shit anyway. if you
have never heard of rick wakeman your not going to google him or look him up on youtube are you?>
[Edited on 28-5-2012 by paradoxau]
Yeah. I'm not saying that there isn't an endless supply of break available online, but more, the process of physically digging is likely to lead to
more obscure / unknown breaks - in that, by being in the op-shop, secondhand vinyl spot, you'll be looking at covers (judge a book [record] by it's
cover), reading liner notes, just finding things through a more organic process. Whereas online, I would suggest, you'd need to know what you're
looking for to begin narrowing down the search process.
Not sure if I worded that correctly.
I dig, don't get me wrong, but I don't think that's true these days. You can hook up .rss feeds to blogs of diggers overseas and get all the shit they
upload - records you would never see in Australia. We're somewhat limited as far as breaks over here for the selection. Australia never really got a
lot of the good break oriented records, not saying there are none but it's not like places like the US and Europe that had a lot more funky drum work
going on. Op Shops in Australia are not like op shops and swap meets overseas... they are generally full of derivative pop shit, christmas carols, and
beethoven.
Not saying you won't find shit out of the ordinary on those records and find bits you can use, I still scour that shit - just saying the selection
over here isn't the same like that and I think if you are resourceful on the internet you can actually find more. The hard part is finding it to the
quality that you would want and whether you are happy sampling mp3s or not. At the very least, the internet is the best place for doing the research,
finding shitty mp3s, then hitting discogs or ebay to find the records of what you are looking for. You can't get that sort of digging and vinyl
knowledge off the internet around Australia very easily and I have gotten more knowledge doing that than traditional digging. It's still digging, just
a more modern look on it. If you find the right blogs to follow, all the liner notes, cover, and MORE are listed there including discographies and
carefully researched backstory and bio on the artists and references to their other work. Some of those blogs won't even allow dl's, but you can
stream something and then do some more hunting to find the actual wax etc...
just saying I don't fully agree with that point these days, that's one take on it yeah - and there's nothing like going out to sift through the wax,
but in this day and age you can do the same thing to equal or more effect while on your PC. Shit, I'd have to have wikipedia or thebreaks or some shit
open on my phone while digging in a store to get info anwyays.
When I talk about finding "breaks" in opshops, etc, I'm not talking about known breaks, but rather the J-Zone route, of sampling some bizarre, offkey
folk record, instructional record, whatever. As you know, I don't produce, but have sifted through my fair share of Australian charity shops and seen
some interesting records amongst the mainstay Christmas Carols, etc.
But, I agree using the net to aid in finding samples is great - there's a plethora of information at your finger tips, but you need a starting point
before you can really begin to search.
I mostly use the internet for making sure music I find HASN'T been sampled before too, especially when I know it sounds all too familiar but can't
quite place it. Helps to inform a decision on whether to lay it aside, chop it up more or just go for gold.
And this news just at hand / Sorry for not trying to change the world through raw urban expressionism and thoughtful upliftment, but sometimes you
just have to write a track about throwing shit at cunts / P.S. RIP Alan. Your casual gait, and sensible yet stylish taste in shorts and long socks
will be missed by all / In my youth, I wouldn\'t have predicted that the high point of my adult life would be exposure to a t-shirt depicting
Putin as a unicorn. But here we are./ Got half you blokes laughing at me, other half starting on me, julie wanting me money, i mean jesus whats the
point of even being straight i mays well just choof drink snort what ev / Gotta thank those vikings and all those years of gene mixing thanks to
pillaging and rape...both get a bad rap in these modern times but look what it brought us / All you swag fuckheads need to stop putting out mixtapes,
pretending to be people anyone gives a fuck about, donate your cool hats/hoody and kicks combos to the salvos and shut your fucking cuntholes / I felt
a bit dirty finger banging her right there infront of family but im pd so i said fuck that shit and kept going / Whilst u morons are trolling us old
geeks were balls deep in you young gf's anus. lenses all fogged up and sht. Weezing.
Yeah, im sure newsense is like me in that he prefers to dig, and started making beats when downloading 10 songs took 2 days. where not saying
diggings bad, but its not easier in shops, if a kid with no idea what to look for gets on a computer they can type "What to look for to make beats" if
the kid walks into the op shop with no idea hes getting beethoven, and christmas carols. Theyd be better of to download ultimate beats and breaks or
something if they want to learn to make good beats fast. Ive never seen that in opshops. Theres alot to be said for learning the hardway, but real
digging is def the hard expensive way to find rare shit, and theres alot to be said with keeping with the times. But wax will sound better. Which
matters. MP3s especilly really can be hollow pieces of shit to mix.
I mostly use the internet for making sure music I find HASN'T been sampled before too, especially when I know it sounds all too familiar but can't
quite place it. Helps to inform a decision on whether to lay it aside, chop it up more or just go for gold.
Nah, bro. My job is depressing. Anything I do while I'm here that isn't work is a score.
And this news just at hand / Sorry for not trying to change the world through raw urban expressionism and thoughtful upliftment, but sometimes you
just have to write a track about throwing shit at cunts / P.S. RIP Alan. Your casual gait, and sensible yet stylish taste in shorts and long socks
will be missed by all / In my youth, I wouldn\'t have predicted that the high point of my adult life would be exposure to a t-shirt depicting
Putin as a unicorn. But here we are./ Got half you blokes laughing at me, other half starting on me, julie wanting me money, i mean jesus whats the
point of even being straight i mays well just choof drink snort what ev / Gotta thank those vikings and all those years of gene mixing thanks to
pillaging and rape...both get a bad rap in these modern times but look what it brought us / All you swag fuckheads need to stop putting out mixtapes,
pretending to be people anyone gives a fuck about, donate your cool hats/hoody and kicks combos to the salvos and shut your fucking cuntholes / I felt
a bit dirty finger banging her right there infront of family but im pd so i said fuck that shit and kept going / Whilst u morons are trolling us old
geeks were balls deep in you young gf's anus. lenses all fogged up and sht. Weezing.
you can sample anything you want from any year you want, and it has been that way since the beginning of rap until the present
For the record (no Trem) I don't care if people sample some shit that's been flipped before. Most Oz albums these days (including ones I work on) have
had some of the shit flipped before.
It's just more of a challenge/rewarding if it's unique.
The exception to this is flipping really obvious stuff, and I don't care that some people think it's okay. They can do what they want. I just think
it's lazy.
And this news just at hand / Sorry for not trying to change the world through raw urban expressionism and thoughtful upliftment, but sometimes you
just have to write a track about throwing shit at cunts / P.S. RIP Alan. Your casual gait, and sensible yet stylish taste in shorts and long socks
will be missed by all / In my youth, I wouldn\'t have predicted that the high point of my adult life would be exposure to a t-shirt depicting
Putin as a unicorn. But here we are./ Got half you blokes laughing at me, other half starting on me, julie wanting me money, i mean jesus whats the
point of even being straight i mays well just choof drink snort what ev / Gotta thank those vikings and all those years of gene mixing thanks to
pillaging and rape...both get a bad rap in these modern times but look what it brought us / All you swag fuckheads need to stop putting out mixtapes,
pretending to be people anyone gives a fuck about, donate your cool hats/hoody and kicks combos to the salvos and shut your fucking cuntholes / I felt
a bit dirty finger banging her right there infront of family but im pd so i said fuck that shit and kept going / Whilst u morons are trolling us old
geeks were balls deep in you young gf's anus. lenses all fogged up and sht. Weezing.
Still, id rather not know. If I havent heard of it I dont care. Otherwise id prob have to turf everybeat in the bin. Also because I dig the records
the hard way I feel all righteous about using the shit. If I found and payed for it I have a right to play it over some mp3 downloading turgid shit
sack.
Haha. Was this already in your regular rotation? Pretty golden.
And this news just at hand / Sorry for not trying to change the world through raw urban expressionism and thoughtful upliftment, but sometimes you
just have to write a track about throwing shit at cunts / P.S. RIP Alan. Your casual gait, and sensible yet stylish taste in shorts and long socks
will be missed by all / In my youth, I wouldn\'t have predicted that the high point of my adult life would be exposure to a t-shirt depicting
Putin as a unicorn. But here we are./ Got half you blokes laughing at me, other half starting on me, julie wanting me money, i mean jesus whats the
point of even being straight i mays well just choof drink snort what ev / Gotta thank those vikings and all those years of gene mixing thanks to
pillaging and rape...both get a bad rap in these modern times but look what it brought us / All you swag fuckheads need to stop putting out mixtapes,
pretending to be people anyone gives a fuck about, donate your cool hats/hoody and kicks combos to the salvos and shut your fucking cuntholes / I felt
a bit dirty finger banging her right there infront of family but im pd so i said fuck that shit and kept going / Whilst u morons are trolling us old
geeks were balls deep in you young gf's anus. lenses all fogged up and sht. Weezing.
I mostly use the internet for making sure music I find HASN'T been sampled before too, especially when I know it sounds all too familiar but can't
quite place it. Helps to inform a decision on whether to lay it aside, chop it up more or just go for gold.
This is part of what I'm talking about. Using the internet as a resource for information and knowledge regarding shit. Not necessarily sampling mp3s
but you can certainly use them to find sounds you are after and then hunt the actual shit on wax. That's the best way when it comes to funk and soul
and such, but I mostly sample obscure foreign shit as much as possible anyway. Kind of good to know if you have sampled a number one hit in another
country and you had no idea how famous it was there and probably a bit too high profile to rock.
A lot of stuff you think hasn't been sampled has and vice versa.
Vinyl has a different sound as it had to be mixed, mastered
& cut with anything in the low end as mono. As im sure most
of you should know.
Digging is about finding something unique, something no one else
has been lucky enough to find or chop up.
In todays game its all in, sample whatever you want.
In the states new copyright laws were brought in the to try
& stop this. Where in Australia we have always had to legally clear samples.
"That catch me if you can mentality"
With that in mind alot of people just said fuck it we can make beats without sampling,
or we can write & record our own compositions & chop them up. Some people
even thinking about the perfect sample they could create & then using this method.
Big diggers in the states are certainly jumping on cassettes & CD's.
I say do what ever you want as long as it sound good & gets peoples heads bumping.
(no slip hop)
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