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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 03:42 PM
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Regale me with your stories.

Usually I'm pretty good at logicking the fuck out of my problems, but lately I've just been lumbering around the city with a giant black cloud over my head.

Regular methods of dealing such as being a sick cunt at school, initiating socially destructive sexual encounters and spending untold amounts of money on new hobbies that I'll forget about in a month have done nought to stave off the black dog's prowl.

Being a faggot to Nevs has worked in the past but apparently he's too touchy for that shit anymore.

Anybody else willing to share their methods? Depression is common. I know at least some of you hate yourself too.

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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 03:44 PM


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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 03:47 PM


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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 03:50 PM


come and have a beer at ye olde gladstone park with me one day. didn't that solve at least one of your problems on a previous occasion? alcohol cures depression right?



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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 03:57 PM


There certainly are undismissable parallels between depression and gut cramps with inexplicable anal bleeding



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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:02 PM


take Mental notes of what makes you "depressed" (depressed is just a name remember) or feel shit. fuck everyone else, break it down, You have to solve your own problem. i kno fuck all about medication but i did the same i found it just blocks that Line of thought, some one who studies neuro what ever, studys the brain (that section) once told me if you "think" something 1000 times the brain can actualy create a conection a "highway" apparently, with no peak hour traffic just a straight to the sauce. tomato.
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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:03 PM


I tend to get stalked by the black dog at least a couple of times a year. I tend to self medicate using drugs and alcohol. I must say I've been a fair bit better over the least 18 months or so since I've been with my fiancee but it still happens. I'm pretty self aware when it comes to this though so I can normally pull myself out of it eventually or at least talk about it.
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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:09 PM


Meds are shit in my experience.

Setting goals and accomplishing them & not bitching out halfway through and regretting not accomplishing them is what has helped moi out of a couple of pretty decent stints with depression.




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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:12 PM


Nerje, in case you don't know, it is possible to access free mental health counselling by visiting a GP who has some experience with the ATAPS system. This system allows you access to 6 free visits to a participating mental health worker (counsellor/psych), they then reassess and you can get an additional 6 visits if warranted. There's a max of 12 per year, but it's helped me immensely to know that I don't have to worry about the cost as well as all the other things that I worry about.

You can find the directory of practitioners who offer ATAPS here - http://csgpn.org.au/mentalhealth/ - under 'Directories'. Each practitioner has lists of specialities, eg, eating disorders, sexual abuse, anxiety, peri-natal depression, etc. Feel free to u2u me or call if you need more tips on how to access this scheme.


The best strategies I have found to keep depression and anxiety at bay are the following:

- Get out of the house at least once a day and walk for half an hour. Look at things around you - not the pavement.
- Establish and maintain a regular sleeping pattern
- Eat fresh foods and cut down on sugar/highly processed food
- Deep, calm belly breathing in moments where panic is likely or your internal chatter is unrelenting
- Give the grog/drugs/excessive caffeine/etc a rest
- Hydrate yourself properly


They sound somewhat hokey or lame, but they are very basic things you can do to maintain a decent level of stability, and they're not expensive. When things are really bad for me and I am overwhelmingly tempted to cut or hurt myself, the two things that help are controlled deep breathing and walking around the neighborhood. Good cry can help sometimes too.

I'm no longer on medication, and have made a promise to myself I won't go back on it unless I am in a life-threatening situation. The deal is that to stay off the meds, I must make a serious and genuine effort to do the things listed above as often as possible. Having said that, some medication has helped in the past, but only in conjunction with counselling and genuine efforts to become healthier.




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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:12 PM


theres a drinking game where if you are caught with a beer in your right hand you have to down it, play this often with your mates, after a couple of weekends of telling your self not to drink with that hand, you'll oneday catch yourself catching, grabbing, drinking with preferably your opposite hand. so work out where the bottleo is, solve how your going to get there, if your unfit run (endorphins?) then you cant be blocked.
does this make sense?


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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:20 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Boxkutta_  
t if you "think" something 1000 times the brain can actualy create a conection a "highway" apparently, with no peak hour traffic just a straight to the sauce. tomato.


Yep. Noticing your mental chatter and blocking it with more positive self talk helped me a LOT.

My mental chatter was along the lines of this:

"You're so fucking stupid and ugly, no wonder no one likes you, you're a stuck up bitch who thinks she's soooo good, but you're not, you're a fucking retard, fat, ugly, pathetic loser with no hope, no wonder you fuck everything up all the time you weak, stupid cunt, you deserve being treated like this, it's your fault all the bad things in your life happened to you, because you were too stupid to stop them etc etc"

I saw a counsellor who specialised in psychosynthesis who had me think the following 50 times in a row, as often as I noticed negative mental chatter AND as often as I remembered to repeat it:

"I am worthwhile. I am worth looking after."

The brain is plastic, so you can reprogram it in healthy ways. One way is through repetition - since you're repeating bad shit about yourself in your subconscious all the time (well, that's how I experienced it) you have to repeat postive stuff to yourself in your conscious all the time until that becomes the new subconscious message.

Again, it sounds a bit odd, but you are capable of retraining your brain to do many things, including training it to look after yourself better.




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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:20 PM


Been on the meds for years and havnt been down for a while. Been going to a psyche that bulkbills, he basically just moderates my meds, that could be good idea for you. Some people dont like meds but I dont wanna come off them cuz I also got some schizophrenia and anxiety going on, so dont wanna disrupt myself. Meds really help me.



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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:24 PM


i find having someone to talk to, a phycologist or councilor helps. staying on medication if you have any, eating and sleeping well, and when you hit the familiar feeling just get out, or do something you know will cheer you up, i go for a dig or walk the dog.

drinking and or drugs wont help, don't kid yourself.

also, i mean this, bottling things up wont help, cry man, let it out, after you will feel 100% better.


EDIT: what gerling said is soemthing i wish i was told years ago. i know know its in my mind and can basically shut off internal monologue.

unwanted self introspect?




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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:26 PM


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But I blame capitalism, share holders and multi nationals for my problems for creating a system for super profits over majority social needs and to add in billboard advertising for brain washing the public into mass spending on shit we don't really need.




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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:29 PM


i was trippng the other day on the thought that paranoia and anxiety all have the same foundation?
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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:30 PM


I fucken hate seeing what these drugs that are meant to help have done to loved ones.

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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:38 PM


It has also been said that depression is anger turned inwards.

I was angry for years, fucking literally years, and didn't know why or what about. I smothered it with drinking, cutting, starving myself, and hitting the bongs ridiculously hard. None of those things gave me any hints as to why I was angry, they just made dangerous outbursts and stupid decisions a lot more likely. Which made me even more mad at myself.

I know now what I am so angry about, which is good I suppose - but the next step involves letting go of that anger, which is proving to be very hard. I am still very angry.

What am I without it? Who could I be if it was gone? If I let go of it, do I lose some sort of power or energising force? Do I cease to be special, or to be me? Will I be weak? What is stopping me from letting go? I wonder what the answers would be if you asked yourself similar questions Nerje. Perhaps they would offer some insight?




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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:44 PM


Get off any and all ugdrays
Drink ALOT of water - a suprising amount of depressing is caused by de-hydration.
Set goals and achieve them
Get rid of toxic relationships.




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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 04:50 PM


One thing that cured me was setting the biggest goal ever, and there was a reward to it too.

If you're working atm just save as much coin as you possibly can and fuck off to Mexico for a month or more. If not Mexico "because its technically mad dangerous nowadays" try somewhere else around South America, well worth it.




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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 05:00 PM


I have a close friend who has suffered from depression for years.

When he started getting depressed he had no job, no girlfriend, ate badly, didn't exercise and generally kept to himself.

It's been years and he hasn't changed those habits and, despite meds and seeing a doctor, he is still depressed. He's unable to start what we would consider to be a 'normal life'.

My point is; sometimes being depressed is a sign that you need to make changes. With nothing positive going on in his life he SHOULD be depressed....if I had no money and no relationship and didn't have something to look forward to, I'd be depressed too.

The hard thing to work out is: does my mate suffer from depression because he doesn't have a life or does he not have a life because of depression?

I refuse to accept that he can't hold down some kind of job or eat well or do regular exercise....but it seems like he can't/won't make the effort to do these basic things. Not sure what the reason is; could be laziness or real depression...or maybe he's just convinced these things won't help

Either way its an ugly cycle. I thought he would 'snap out of it' years ago but its just goes on and on. Fuckin sad.







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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 05:04 PM


Also-

If a doctor tells you to get on the anti-depressent meds BEFORE he recommends changing diet/exercise/doing it naturally then CHANGE DOCTORS.





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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 05:17 PM


since my mum passed away i have definately not been myself
a lot more depressed but not depression.....

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Quote: Originally posted by the tongue  
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If a doctor tells you to get on the anti-depressent meds BEFORE he recommends changing diet/exercise/doing it naturally then CHANGE DOCTORS.



Pretty hard to change doctors when you're in a mental ward lol




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[*] posted on 20-6-2012 at 05:27 PM


Short term: Opiates and booze.

Long term: Changing your attitude towards shit. look into mindfulness meditation. I have had it pretty severe but taking control of your thoughts is important because if you sit back reacting to them neagtively it will create a cycle and it gets harder to break. If you stop your self from reacting and judging your thoughts, you have the control to just look and them and let them slip by non-judgementally. Thoughts only have weight if you let them.

And the biggest thing is doing stuff, just do shit that you enjoy, if you immerse yourself into shit you will lose sense of time and thoughts. That feeling of "flowing" which is a legit mindset is what you need to achieve, you can't have these thoughts when you are completly absorbed in what you are doing.

Hope that helps a bit, depression fucking sucks the bags big time.
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